Reply to: Visual Studio for Mac... what a ****-show

[_V_]

In all seriousness though V ...what on earth is that? Just a mockup or was somebody really using it? It can't be from Microsoft as Windows 11 will never exist....or can it? Is it a Linux distro?

I believe it is a real OS version from Microsoft, someone leaked the details.

Windows 11 is coming soon.

[NotAllThere]

https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/...eak_microsoft/

[d000hg]

Sounds like not much has changed other than they've refreshed some of the ugly flat UI.

[eek]

In all seriousness though V ...what on earth is that? Just a mockup or was somebody really using it? It can't be from Microsoft as Windows 11 will never exist....or can it? Is it a Linux distro?

Windows 11 is due to be announced this week.

It's a rebrand of the next (Autumn 2021) Windows 10 release as it makes sense user interface changes to screw things up.

[mogga71]

What the hell do you mean, Windows 11 is nothing like MacOS!

In all seriousness though V ...what on earth is that? Just a mockup or was somebody really using it? It can't be from Microsoft as Windows 11 will never exist....or can it? Is it a Linux distro?

[_V_]

LOL … have you seen any recent videos of Microsoft online conferences …. Or BUILD … for example? I swear most of the Microsoft guys use Macs now.

What the hell do you mean, Windows 11 is nothing like MacOS!

[mogga71]

Carved out an evening for a new coding project and needed to install VS, so thought I'd try the Mac version. Installed fine, looks nice... until I want to use version control. I've got a repo on GitHub but 4 hours later I've entered my password about 30 times, had VS delete my solution a couple of times, but can I get it to push... can I ****.
I even managed to clone the remote repo on about the 15th attempt from VS, then created a new solution in that directory. Thought I'd cracked it. Until I come to push and now VS says it doesn't have any remotes to push to.



I don't see how it can be so bad. On Windows it works very smoothly. Integration with GitHub should be seamless, especially on Mac where they are presumably targeting users not so familiar. I've been using this stuff since Visual Studio 6 (20 years?) what chance does anyone else have!

If you want to develop C sharp apps full stop … regardless of platform … use Jet Brains Rider IMHO …. It’s better than Visual Studio on Windows ….. never mind the pitiful attempt of VS on the Mac.

However, there are a few things it cannot do that VS can.

Alas … it also costs.

[mogga71]

Mac OS is a toy for hipsters.

LOL … have you seen any recent videos of Microsoft online conferences …. Or BUILD … for example? I swear most of the Microsoft guys use Macs now.

[d000hg]

With a bit more use, it's actually pretty nice as an IDE but plenty of rough edges and things that are just different to VS-Win. Biggest headache now is trying to move windows/panels around e.g. your watch variables in debug. On Windows they have this incredibly complicated drag and drop system that generally works quite well.
On Mac, I have never got a window to go where I want. I end up with them in totally stupid places and no idea how to reset it, every time I drag one it goes in the wrong place.

Also every time I get an exception, it jumps away from my code and I can't find where it came from!
And I can't see how to change the text size

But in terms of the core development and running .Net apps on Mac, all works well.

[woohoo]

I use Rider from Jetbrains on Windows, no idea what it's like on the mac but might be worth a try. It seems to suit people that work in a certain way and I find VS clumsy now. Has some shortcomings, not great with WPF for example. But recommend it.

Rider: The Cross-Platform .NET IDE from JetBrains

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If you care about that, MacOS isn't for you. If you don't, it might be

I will at somepoint switch to a new mac - but for the moment as I work from home the dual screen desktop more than meets my requirements and the current m1 macs only support a single external monitor.

Also I would need to check if rider was a suitable development tool compared to VS2019..

[d000hg]

That would because MacOS isn't built upon Linux / Unix but upon FreeBSD...

If you care about that, MacOS isn't for you. If you don't, it might be

[eek]

Mac OS is actually pretty great. I think I prefer it to Windows and I use both every day. But as a development platform, it seems a mess. You have to go under the surface to find it's almost like Linux, but not quite. I suppose analogous to installing cygwin on Windows (not sure if that's still a thing)

That would because MacOS isn't built upon Linux / Unix but upon FreeBSD...

[d000hg]

Mac OS is a toy for hipsters.

Mac OS is actually pretty great. I think I prefer it to Windows and I use both every day. But as a development platform, it seems a mess. You have to go under the surface to find it's almost like Linux, but not quite. I suppose analogous to installing cygwin on Windows (not sure if that's still a thing)

[_V_]

Mac OS is a toy for hipsters.